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andy danziger nice to see you this

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morning good morning now we should be

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clear that this incident that you saw

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happened in 1989 why did it take so long

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for you to talk about it

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there was a it was there was no formal

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policy at my airline or any airline i've

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ever worked for that said not to talk

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about it but

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it was kind of unwritten we were young

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we were new in our careers and the way

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people tended to be ridiculed about all

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this

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came out during a daily news interview

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recently when you were asked about it

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that's correct had you ever seen a ufo

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and you responded that you had and you

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went into detail about so what happened

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in 1989 on that day unbelievable

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uh we were flying from kansas city to

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waterloo iowa i was just a first officer

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in a commuter airline turboprop

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and uh crystal clear skies in kansas

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city crystal clear skies forecast in

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waterloo

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supposed to be good weather and roots

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only a couple hundred 250 miles away

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we reached our cruise altitude to 15 000

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feet and all of a sudden we just noticed

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you know we're busy in the climb out

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those little smaller airplanes didn't

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have autopilots

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leveled out and a lot of thin wispy

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clouds all around us

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and i noticed off to my right and i was

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sitting in the right seat was a white

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disc just kind of thin

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visible barely visible behind the clouds

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or dimly visible behind the clouds

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and it was a little odd

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but

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you know we were used to seeing a lot of

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things in the sky so when you see

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something strange you start looking

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around trying to figure out what it is

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and

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the first thing you think about is the

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moon because it looked like it could

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have been the moon dimly visible but the

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moon was out over here and it was a

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crescent it wasn't a full moon so it

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couldn't have been a reflection of the

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moon so this large disc you described as

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being pretty large oh yeah massive

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and then it after a while it was

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following you

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or we were following it it was pacing us

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it was pacing you then something

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unbelievable happened to its shape and

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its color it turned into a giant orange

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glow

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we'd been looking down for uh

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searchlights and stuff from the ground

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maybe something shining up on the cloud

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couldn't find anything after about 40

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minutes we started our descent into

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waterloo and as we started our descent

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and

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looked up here's this giant red ball

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just above the clouds unbelievable oh it

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was and there were people of course who

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witnessed this on your plane as well not

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just you no the

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captain that was on the plane did i

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don't know about any of the passengers

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like air traffic control i've talked to

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a lot of pilots here off the air in

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commercial breaks and i've asked them

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this question we've talked about it and

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they've all admitted that they've seen

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ufos but they kind of keep quiet about

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it why is it that they keep quiet about

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it is it fear losing their job i don't

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know it's you don't want to be

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brandished as being crazy that was one

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of our concerns before we actually

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reported it to air traffic troll we

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discussed it amongst each other is this

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something that's going to jeopardize our

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career

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the government discounts every single

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report that ever seems to come out the

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news media tends to or at least in the

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past has tended to ridicule every ufo

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report so you know

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that was all going on really big back in

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the 1980s since you came forward what

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have you heard from people what have you

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heard from other pilots who said thank

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you for speaking about this a little bit

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i've got a few friends have called me

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and said wow maybe this is going to

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finally get the stuff out i've seen

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stuff and it's it's about time that

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somebody came forward you're actually